rabidsamfan: samwise gamgee, I must see it through (Default)
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Is it time to go beyond Beaufort?

Mind you, I love the Beaufort scale. It has done tremendous good for weather prediction and for the understanding of the casual weather buff, but I'm beginning to think that we should find new ways to describe Hurricanes and Tropical Cyclones, which is more comprehensive than a definition by wind pressure.

As I understand it, these are the factors which need to be considered...

Wind Speed in the eyewall (present system)
Forward speed of the system
Central pressure
Wind Swaths (by hurricane level, then TS)
Rainfall potential/Inland flooding potential
height of storm surge (length and width? Do storm surges have swaths and can we predict them? Can we measure wave size like a tsunami if we have the buoys in place?)

So, descriptively, the six scales would be

1. as is (Windy, Bad, Worse, Horrible, Disastrous, Catastrophic)
2. Stationary, Meandering, Walking, Trotting, Running, Galloping
3. Pothole, Cellar, Death Valley, Coal Mine, Submarine, Marianas Trench
4. (These describe the zones of affect, ie., if you can expect at worst, tropical storm force winds you're in the "shutters" zone.) Shutters, Tape, Boards, Prayer, Last Will and Testament, Coffin
5. Damp, Wet, Soggy, Soaked, Immersed, Drowning
6. Sea Turtle, Dolphin, Orca, Humpback, Godzilla

No seriously, to show these factors to the public you would probably need a visual rather than a descriptive method. So, use hexagons divided into six triangles (like a Trivial Pursuit gamepiece) and distribute them like pixels across the weathermap with the same color scale for each kind of threat displayed for the location. I'd go from purple for no threat and via blue etc to red for high threat. A glance at the map would show that some areas have a lot more red, and a person could assess their risks by color. Because they're pixels, you can get fine detail as you go further in, so if most of a town is at yellow for flood risk, but the downtown area is at a lower elevation then a closer map would show that part with more orange and reds near the river or inlet which might flood.

Does this make sense to you at all? Because If I try really hard I might manage to draw a picture.

Thanks for all the hard work!

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Date: 2005-09-21 04:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beehay.livejournal.com
omg godzilla

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Date: 2005-09-21 05:16 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] beruthiels-cat.livejournal.com
godZIRRA!!!!!! </bad accent>

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Date: 2005-09-21 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Tokyo is doomed!

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Date: 2005-09-21 08:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Hmmm. Do you think I should have included Mothra too?

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Date: 2005-09-21 04:34 pm (UTC)
ext_16267: (amoodlightning)
From: [identity profile] slipperieslope.livejournal.com


: O

Coffin!!!

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Date: 2005-09-21 06:31 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elwenlj.livejournal.com
ROTFL! A galloping weather system just creates such a wonderful image in my mind.

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Date: 2005-09-21 08:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
*grin* Get out the coconut shells!

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Date: 2005-09-21 07:32 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] surgicalsteel.livejournal.com
LOL

Much more descriptive than the Saffir-Simpson scale, that's for sure!

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Date: 2005-09-21 08:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Saffir-Simpson is actually an extension of Beaufort, and useful, up to a point, but we aren't impressed by "1"s and "2"s enough. We need radioactive monsters.

There's a great book called "Defining the Wind" by Scott Huler that's worth a read if you're interested in history, reference books, weather, or the application of science to commonsense.

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Date: 2005-09-21 07:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rubynye.livejournal.com
You're still fevered, ain'tcha. *grin*

Seriously, this is a very useful set of scales.

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Date: 2005-09-21 08:24 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Thanks... Just think, you'd describe a storm as a Disastrous Meandering Coal Mine, with evacuations recommended in the "Prayer" zone due to the risk from a Soggy Humpback...

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Date: 2005-09-21 07:57 pm (UTC)
dreamflower: gandalf at bag end (Default)
From: [personal profile] dreamflower
Man, this looks a *whole* lot more useful! There would have been a lot less of the "Camille-was-a-Category-5-and-Katrina-is-only-a-4-and-my-place-stood-through-Camille-so-I'm-not-going-anywhere-ing" with this type of thing.

Personally I am quite fond of Shutters, Tape, Boards, Prayer, Last Will and Testament and Coffin. It would certainly get a lot more response.

And you are right: there should be a lot more considered than just wind speed, such as size, and amount of water it will be bringing, and how long it will last.

That last is quite important.

Camille was 6 hours, start to finish; Katrina hung around for 13.

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Date: 2005-09-21 08:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Gosh, you're right, there needs to be a "time to endure" scale... But from what point to what point? From first squall to last would be too long to be taken seriously... From front of the hurricane force winds to the last of them over a given spot, perhaps?

So: Short Story, Novella, Homework Assignment, Sunday Times, Les Miserables, and Complete Works of William Shakespeare...

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Date: 2005-09-21 09:13 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cara-chapel.livejournal.com
I suggest you add either Robert Jordan's "Wheel of Time" or David Eddings' "Belgarion" to cap the list. Shakespeare can't hold a candle to those guys for sheer diarrhea of verbiage.

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Date: 2005-09-21 09:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cara-chapel.livejournal.com
I think I meant "Belgariad."

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Date: 2005-09-21 09:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
You did, LOL! I tried to read some of it once but I was defeated. Kind of like that book about the leper which went into a series that went on and on until you hoped his lips would fall off...

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Date: 2005-09-21 09:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] cara-chapel.livejournal.com
Oh, it was horrid. I've rarely seen such preachy characters (outside of McCaffrey). I swear, I just wanted to pound and pound Polgara with a shovel.

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Date: 2005-09-21 10:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lame-pegasus.livejournal.com
Godzilla...?

Completely with zipper?

Very inventive, really. *giggles*

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Date: 2005-09-21 10:21 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
I'm at least half serious. I sent a revised version to the NHC with a very badly done set of examples for hexes, using dreamflower's suggestion of duration rather than forward motion.

But Godzilla would get people's attention, wouldn't it?!

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Date: 2005-09-22 01:15 pm (UTC)
From: (Anonymous)
I think it's great! But why stop at Hurricanes? I think that tornadoes could use the same sort of treatment. That's where you'd want to include things like Mothra for size and "Sherman's March to the Sea" to describe the amount of potential damage to property.

Personally, I would also replace "Homework Assignment" with "Master's Thesis" and/or "Doctorial Dissertation." For the most part dull and quite the slog to read.

Randi (Still trying to get time to open an account.)
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