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Just what do we know about lembas?

Taste and consistency:

The food was mostly in the form of very thin cakes, made of a meal that was baked a light brown on the outside, and inside was the colour of cream.

I’m not too sanguine about the “cake” description, as I’ve had dictionaries describe crumpets as tea-cakes. (Okay, they were American dictionaries, but still!) Still, they’re probably sweet. Gimli compares them to honeycakes, and the Elf says they will stay sweet if kept wrapped, although in that instance he could mean “not stale”, as sweetness wouldn’t fade in and of itself. Still, by all accounts lembas is quite toothsome and I’m pleased to think that sweetening is part of that. But I think of cakes as being very moist on the whole, and moisture is the grand enemy of any food which has to be carried and preserved over long distances. Gimli’s “crisp corner” also indicates a dry texture, but not necessarily. “Waybread” would seem to imply a breadish consistency at first glance, although I’ve had 18th century recipe Gingerbread that was as hard as chalk, and the “bread” reference here is probably more to it being the staff of life and made out of flour. Frodo also describes the lembas which the Orcs of Cirith Ungol had handled “broken” rather than smashed, which could imply a drier texture (and would make it easier for him to gather up the pieces to carry along.) It could be a kind of twice-baked bread (toast!), and probably is, to reduce the moisture content.

Size, shape, and appearance:

The lembas was presented in packets, made of leaves, and once a packet was broken into the contents become subject to deterioration, so the size of the packets would be limited. Call it seven wafers to a packet and you’d have a reasonable number from an Elven point of view. You could readily count how many people on a journey and how many weeks it should take and pack accordingly. Each individual wafer is small enough that a packet of them can fit in a hobbit’s pockets. Pippin and Merry certainly kept stashes of them, like cookies swiped from the communal cookie jar, and it was a good thing too. Merry says he has a packet in his pocket, and after he and Pippin had eaten “two or three pieces” they still calculated that they had five days worth. Mind you, hobbits have small pockets, such as would fit comfortably in small trousers and waistcoats and coats. Presumably the largest pocket would be the inner coat pocket, but it still is limited in size. So wafers of lembas have to be big enough to eat a little at a time, but small enough that Gimli can put away an entire wafer/cake before an Elf has time to stop him. So I’m guessing that lembas wafers are about two inches across. They’re not round: Gimli breaks off a corner, so we’re talking squares or triangles. They’re flat – were told that they’re thin -- but unlikely to be foldable, the way that pita bread would be. So all in all I suspect that we’re talking about something the size and shape of a saltine, with coloring similar to a Ritz Cracker.

So, how much lembas does it take to feed a hobbit?

One will keep a traveller on his feet for a day of long labour, even if he be one of the tall Men of Minas Tirith.

So the Elf told Gimli, and it was probably true – although the only Tall Man who would have had a chance to test the theory in recent decades would have been Aragorn, who has some Elvish blood that seems to improve his stamina. Still, Elves live a long time, and somewhere in the Ages Men must have survived on lembas well enough. The Elves probably have a fair notion of how well Dwarves do on a lembas diet as well, but I’m beginning to believe that no one has ever tried the experiment with hobbits.

Presumably, Galadriel sent the Fellowship along with more food than lembas, since they are admonished to spare the supply of waybread while other sources of provender are available. It’s not only a potent kind of food, but also one which is easy to carry and to keep edible. It’s tastiness might encourage the Fellowship to indulge a bit while they are still on the river, but the only time we know for sure that they dipped into the supply was the night they were stuck on the boats after Legolas took a shot at the Nazgul.

When Sam and Frodo split off from the group Sam grabbed some packages of food, which seem to have mostly been packets of lembas. Three days later, he and Frodo are down to nothing but the stuff, and Sam has already begun to be dissatisfied. It’s hard to tell if they have some for dinner, but they do have it as breakfast the next day. The next mention of food is daybreak the next day, when they stop and Gollum tries a taste. Nine hours later, we’re told, Sam wakes up and is hungry.

Hmmm.

Furthermore, when Sam tells Frodo that they’re going to have to ration the lembas, he doesn’t know how long it will last, he estimates. This tells us something about how hobbits eat lembas. If it were 1 cake per hobbit per day he’d be able to be precise. 42 cakes for two hobbits is 21 days, and I defy anyone to tell me that Sam couldn’t handle the math. (Of course, he might not be precisely sure of how much lembas Frodo has in his foodbag, but assuming that each leaf-packet holds a predictable number of cakes he ought to at least have some idea.) But if the hobbits have been eating 1 and 1/3rd or 1 and ½ wafers each day – or 1 cake on one day and 2 on the next – then the calculation becomes trickier.

It’s a fair presumption that up until the time that they discuss rationing the food, Frodo and Sam have been pretty much eating when they felt like eating – Sam says they’ve been pretty free with the food – but once they start to restrict themselves I’d guess that they both remembered the Elf saying that one wafer a day is sufficient and try to hold close to that. They’ve got other things on their minds than food of course, and Gollum’s eating habits are enough to turn anyone’s stomach sour. (Not to mention that between the gully and Ithilien, they are short of drinking water, which might make limiting their food easier to live with.) In any case, by the time they get to Ithilien and have a chance to drink some clean water and wash up, Sam’s thoughts have turned to food. He’s too hungry to sleep, properly, and he wants to supplement the lembas. The rabbit stew is the result.

It’s in Ithilien too, that Sam looks at Frodo and is reminded of watching his master in Rivendell, while they were all waiting to see whether or not Frodo would survive the Morgul blade. In Rivendell, the first thing Frodo notices about himself when he faces a mirror is that he has lost weight, and the description of his face at this junction suggests the same thing. ” Frodo's face was peaceful, the marks of fear and care had left it; but it looked old, old and beautiful, as if the chiselling of the shaping years was now revealed in many fine lines that had before been hidden, though the identity of the face was not changed.” We don’t know whether Sam has changed noticeably, because he’s bereft of mirrors, but I think it’s fair to argue that a week’s diet of lembas has not been sufficient to keep them from losing ground. Now Frodo’s dinner before that scene is described as “mouthfuls” of lembas, rather than a wafer, so there’s a possibility that they’re already on less than a wafer a day, but it’s not certain. Sometimes they seem to eat before they go to sleep, and sometimes when they set out, so they may be splitting the ration out through the day. In any case, they each had half a wafer with the rabbit stew, so it’s unlikely that they’ve restricted themselves too sharply.

The meeting with Faramir gives Frodo and Sam a break from a steady diet of Elven-bread, which they take full advantage of. Even a cold meal puts them in a much better mood than the lembas has. (Of course the wine probably has something to do with that.) And when they go on, Faramir makes sure their packs have dried foods in them.

The lembas had a virtue without which they would long ago have lain down to die. It did not satisfy desire, and at times Sam's mind was filled with the memories of food, and the longing for simple bread and meats. And yet this waybread of the Elves had a potency that increased as travellers relied on it alone and did not mingle it with other foods. It fed the will, and it gave strength to endure, and to master sinew and limb beyond the measure of mortal kind.


By the time that they’ve been in Mordor for a while Tolkien finds it worth noting when Sam makes Frodo eat an entire wafer of lembas at one meal, so we can assume that by that point of the journey either the usual ration was smaller or that they’ve been trying to use up the pieces that were broken before they go bad. There’s no metaphorical flummery in the description of Frodo’s face by the time they’ve come to the approaches of the Isenmouthe; it’s “lined and thin” by then, and Sam’s already taken to giving Frodo both of their rations on occasion.

As they make their way to the mountain, the water problem becomes crucial, and here’s evidence that lembas is dry if nothing else, because when Sam becomes too parched he can’t manage to eat at all, and presumably Frodo’s having similar trouble. If Sam’s original calculation was right, they would have run out of lembas three days before they reached the Crack of Doom, though the additions of Faramir and the depradations of the Orcs would have thrown that off somewhat. Certainly Sam stints himself, and Frodo’s not in any shape to notice, so between one thing and another, they can’t have been much of a burden to the Eagles.

Jokes about Lembas as diet food aside, I've concluded that while lembas carries some calories, it works in part by kicking your metabolism into a gear that allows it better access to whatever fat you might have stored up, followed by muscle etc. It feeds the will – which of course is something that Frodo needs – but it is designed as emergency food, and essentially keeps you on your feet right up until the moment that there’s nothing left of you to burn. The Elves gave the Fellowship quite a bit of the stuff, and I suspect that Galadriel at least had some idea that the effect of lembas on the will was more important a consideration than its effect upon the physique. If she had more experience with hobbits, or the hobbits more experience with Elven-waybread, perhaps Sam and Frodo would have started out with a greater supply of other foods, or better means of foraging along the way, in order to save the lembas until Mordor itself. But in any case she knew that Frodo didn’t expect to come back, and was as willing as Gandalf (or even more willing) to risk the life of a small hobbit or two against the return of Sauron.

More Lembas Thoughts (Response to the comments here.)

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Date: 2004-09-07 01:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] allisona.livejournal.com
Fascinating study on lembas, rabidsamfan! A lot of fascinating details, it makes me want to go back and read large sections of LOTR all over again.

More than anything it makes me wish I had a packet of lembas!

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:39 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
I'd settle for a single wafer, just out of sheer curiosity!

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Date: 2004-09-07 02:08 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] elendiari22.livejournal.com
Wow, this is a fascinating read! How cool of you to figure all this out! :)

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:40 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
It's kind of fun. Makes you read the book more carefully when you go looking for things.

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Date: 2004-09-07 02:59 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rubynye.livejournal.com
You are *so awesome*, you know that?

*bookmarks this for her next Quest/postQuest fics*

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:41 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
*laughs* I suppose I should add footnotes and a "lembas timeline" then!

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Date: 2004-09-07 03:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tialys.livejournal.com
I never knew lembas (and math) could be that interesting! I'll have to go back and read those parts of the books again. Thank-you for posting all of this!

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:42 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
You're welcome. Looking at it later I also realize that if they were eating one wafer per day, Sam couldn't fool Frodo into taking both their shares...
*starts contemplating revisions*

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:57 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tialys.livejournal.com
Sam couldn't fool Frodo into taking both their shares.

I don't know. It seems logical to me that after the ring had been in Frodo's possession so long he would fail to notice something like that. That, combined with the strain of their journey and like you said, he could not be in any shape to notice. Also, even if he did notice, he might have been past the point of trying to fight Sam anymore (as Sam was probably much more fit and healthier than Frodo by that time).

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Date: 2004-09-08 03:15 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
You've got a point. Tolkien does say that Frodo is too weary to debate the matter -- but once he'd eaten and rested he'd be able to think it through. Still, it's only a little later (when they've escaped from the Orc company) that Tolkien notes when Sam gives Frodo an entire wafer of lembas.

Oddly enough, after Cirith Ungol, while they've still got the ridge of the Morgai between them and the rest of Mordor, Frodo seems a little stronger for a while, and actually takes care of Sam for a little while. But by the time they've gotten out into the "open" -- within sight of Mt. Doom -- he's pretty much reduced to letting Sam do the thinking. How much of that is lembas, and how much of that is the Ring, though it's hard to guess.

Perhaps what I mean to say is that Sam would expect Frodo to notice that he's eating Sam's share if the size of the shares was a predictable thing, yes? Whether Frodo did or not is another matter.

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Date: 2004-09-08 09:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] tialys.livejournal.com
Sam would expect Frodo to notice that he's eating Sam's share.

That makes sense, but I've got to wonder whether Sam would care if Frodo noticed or not. Would he try anyway? Especially if this was just after the orc company, which reduced Frodo to falling in a pit and laying 'like a dead thing' - that could have scared Sam into to at least trying to give Frodo his share.

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Date: 2004-09-09 12:14 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
I am going to end up making a "food" timeline at this rate! *LoL!* Thanks for making me work harder on my reasoning. There'll be an addendum to the essay eventually (once I get past an interview at work) and I'll see if I can't justify my reasoning! Thanks!

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Date: 2004-09-07 04:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] mariole.livejournal.com
I really enjoyed this. Nice conclusions!

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:44 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Thank you! I was hoping to come up with something a little more elegant for a last paragraph, but this'll do, I guess.

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Date: 2004-09-07 05:26 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] maripo5a.livejournal.com
Very enjoyable read, I liked your conclusions. :-)

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:45 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Thank you!

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Date: 2004-09-07 05:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rosiegardener.livejournal.com
thank you for that interesting essay, especially the conclusion in the last paragraph on the effect of lembas on the will rather than on the physique is excellent.

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:47 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Yes, Galadriel would have agreed with Gandalf that the possibility of success outweighed any negative side-effects. And Frodo would definitely have needed some aids to improving his willpower!

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Date: 2004-09-07 10:16 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] illyria-novia.livejournal.com
I can't say anything more erudite other than thanks for taking the time to research and write this exciting and extremely well written essay.

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:54 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
exciting?

Well, perhaps, if you feed lembas crumbs to the plot bunnies!

Thanks!

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Date: 2004-09-07 10:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lame-pegasus.livejournal.com
Thank you for this labour of (Lembas-)love.

And now I'm hungry.

*laughs*

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Be glad you've got more than lembas in the cupboard, then!

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Date: 2004-09-07 12:52 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] auntiemeesh.livejournal.com
Very interesting and insightful study of lembas. They do sound rather crackerish, don't they?

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:52 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Yes, or like a hard dry cookie. You can't help wonder if Tolkien started thinking of them as "wafers" instead of "cakes" because he was unconsciously comparing them to communion wafers. Except that those don't take more than a single mouthful to eat, of course. Maybe they're like krumkake or pizelles?

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Date: 2004-09-07 04:23 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] pippinswolf.livejournal.com
Just don't ever call them cookies. *giggle*
Thanks for this interesting study of lembas; I am glad I know people like you who can think of all this stuff.
How are you feeling, BTW?

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Date: 2004-09-08 02:50 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Well I did mention a cookie jar *grin*

I'm okay, except for the migraine on Sunday. Oh, well.

Re: Lembas

Date: 2004-09-08 02:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eykar.livejournal.com
Your research is thorough but your conclusion is rather a leap in the dark. Nothing in LoTR indicates that lembas was ever intended as a short-term emergency ration; it is depicted more as an Elvish version of the dwarves' cram, e.g. hardtack that tastes good.

The reason that lembas isn't filling probably has to do with the nature of Elves as explained in the Silmarillion: Elves are born as beings both material and spiritual, and such sexual/reproductive life as they have takes place during their material years. As they mature, their material being wanes and they become more and more beings of spirit. A mature Elf, such as Legolas, would have a bodily existence only due to his physical self being sustained by his spirit.

Since Elves live increasingly by spirit throughout of their indeterminate lifetimes, it is more than probable that lembas works by strengthening the spirit to sustain the body. For this reason, it would leave mortal stomachs, such as the hobbits', unsatisfied - without however causing them to digest the organs essential to their bodies' functioning. Certainly neither Sam nor Frodo shows signs of long-term physical damage from the quest, other than Frodo's loss of a distinctly peripheral finger: No heart attacks, shortness of breath, dizzy spells, unaccountable falling down, etc.

To say that lembas fed the hobbits' will is a bit of a short-cut, as their will is inseperable from their developing spiritual (and thus moral) world-view which brings the will of each and both into harmony with their bitter fate.

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Date: 2004-09-08 03:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Considering that Frodo and Sam only subsisted on lembas for a month, I wouldn't expect long-term damage. But I would expect weight loss, and the evidence shows that the weight loss is not just a fannish convention, but a real phenomenon. They had some reserves in the form of fat and muscle which would be broached long before organ damage would become an issue. If it had taken three months to get to Orodruin that would be a different matter.

Tolkien, not I, said the the lembas fed the "will" and he didn't identify "will" as some sort of spiritual self, but rather the ability to continue putting one foot in front of the other long after normal strength would have failed. He does say that lembas fails to satisfy desire -- my argument is that lembas also fails to satisfy basic nutritional requirements especially in the case of hobbits and the weight loss is evidence of that.

Re: Lembas

Date: 2004-09-08 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] eykar.livejournal.com
Of course they starve on the quest. The constant physical stress over a period of months would deplete anyone, even hobbits. The question is whether lembas accelerates or impedes starvation.

According to your theory, lembas accelerates the process of starvation by causing the body to consume its reserves more speedily. However, given Elvish nature and technology, it is more probable that it retards that process, by strengthening the spirit so that it can sustain and preserve the body. Mortals and immortals in Arda are both a combination of body and spirit, and therefore would be similarly affected.

Strengthening the will is compatible with either accelerating starvation (via heightening the metabolism) or retarding starvation (via strengthening the spirit.) Strengthening the will because will is part of the spirit is more likely, since a great deal more than will is strengthened when lembas becomes Frodo's and Sam's primary and often sole food during the most spiritually challenging and enlightening part of the quest.

If Frodo and Sam had been using up their reserves at an accelerated rate during the latter part of the quest, after the rigors undergone during the early months, they would be much more likely to sustain lasting organ damage than if the one thing that they had to eat enabled them to circumvent ordinary nutritional needs.

I always find it significant that when Sam discards all that is no longer needed for the final climb to the fire of creation (which Sauron has used but not corrupted) everything that he keeps is a gift of the Elves, except for a water container; and water is the home and element of Ulmo, the only Vala who never entirely deserted Middle-earth.

Re: Lembas

Date: 2004-09-09 12:10 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
I'm busily composing an addendum to the original essay, which will probably appear in a day or two. I have to get ready for an important job interview on Friday morning -- but I'm not done yet! You'll see! Thanks for taking the time to whack holes in my theories! I'm having a lot of fun working on the response.

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Date: 2004-09-08 03:11 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] caraloup.livejournal.com
Interesting thoughts and calculations -- thanks for sharing them.

I've concluded that while lembas carries some calories, it works in part by kicking your metabolism into a gear that allows it better access to whatever fat you might have stored up, followed by muscle etc.

How do you conclude that though? That Sam doesn't experience the lembas as 'filling' doesn't imply that. To draw on our own reality, food concentrates of any sort may well be extremely nourishing and wholesome without creating the sensation of a well-filled stomach, and that's how Sam describes it, too.

If I don't misunderstand, you assume that some substance in the lembas encourages the body to devour its own reserves to the point of dysfunction and self-destruction. If that were the case, Galadriel would have taken a pretty mind-boggling risk, especially if her knowledge of the hobbit mortalism was scanty (which it probably was). No one could know how long the journey would take, and if this is how the process worked out, Sam and Frodo might have collapsed from organ failure sooner than they would have starved to death, without any lembas supplies. It would be a very dubious and careless gift in that case, yet in LOTR it's presented as an expression of particular appreciation and support.

It feeds the will – which of course is something that Frodo needs – but it is designed as emergency food, and essentially keeps you on your feet right up until the moment that there’s nothing left of you to burn.

I think these are two separate things. That lembas nourishes will and determination beyond ordinary endurance is a spiritual effect (similar to that of miruvor), but it doesn't follow from there that the extra energy of the mind is acquired at the cost of the body's utter depletion. Of course spiritual strength can outreach physical, so that the body suffers from it, but the notion that the Elves would design sustenance for body *and* spirit in a way that knocks the two completely out of balance doesn't chime with their basic harmony of body and soul, as Tolkien describes it. (Interesting stuff about the body/soul complexities in History of Middle-earth 10, by the way, if you want to look it up.)

But in any case she knew that Frodo didn’t expect to come back, and was as willing as Gandalf (or even more willing) to risk the life of a small hobbit or two against the return of Sauron.

Perhaps. But in this context, it's not a matter of controlled circumstances in which such a decision can be made. If you know that someone has to keep going for an exact number of days, you might give them a drug that keeps them going for that time, and then kills them. But Galadriel couldn't calculate all the factors and effects with any precision. She could not know how the length and stress of the journey would affect Frodo, and whether her gift of lembas might not even prevent him from destroying the Ring, if it had worked as you suggest. I can't imagine she would have taken such an incredible risk, considering what all was at stake.

Overall, I guess I doubt that the lembas' spiritual effects and meaning can be reduced to physiological processes that undermine the positive purpose of the thing. True, Gandalf, Galadriel, and others consciously accept that Frodo's sacrifices may include his own death (despite their sympathy for him), but they also offer what help and support they can provide. The gift of lembas is part of that, not another destructive agent (like the Ring!) that may subvert Frodo's integrity or cause physical harm.

If Sauron had designed emergency foods though, that would be a whole 'nother story. Perhaps orcs get some sort of black lembas, to keep them on their feet only while they're needed? ;)

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Date: 2004-09-09 12:12 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
I've got an important interview Friday morning, and preparing for it should be taking up all my time, but I'll be responding to this by the end of the weekend. Thank you for making such a great, thought out comment!

Lembas

Date: 2004-09-12 07:57 am (UTC)
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From: [personal profile] dreamflower
My goodness, this has taken a lot of thought and work. I'm impressed!

Re: Lembas

Date: 2004-09-12 12:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Mostly thought. If it were work it would be a lot better organized! *grin*

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