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Doesn't Gollum's song (which they played at the end of Two Towers) make a lot more sense when you've seen Return of the King?

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Date: 2004-05-21 12:28 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lame-pegasus.livejournal.com
Oh my God, yes.

And you will weep
when you face the end alone
You are lost!
You can never go home


Those line hit me painfully, when I first heard the song - for they were not only about Gollum, but also about Frodo. It made me feel like when I was seventeen and read the books first, and simply couldn't understand why all this had to happen. Why isn't the true hero rewarded as he should? Why has he to suffer, why does he remain emptied and hollow at the end, destroyed by his task? They are so close, those two ringbearers, and Frodo always knew it.

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Date: 2004-05-21 12:50 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
quoted from www.stlyrics.com (good lyrics, annoying popups etc.)

Where once was light
Now darkness falls
Where once was love
Love is no more
Don't say goodbye
Don't say I didn't try

These tears we cry
Are falling rain
For all the lies you told us
The hurt, the blame!
And we will weep to be so alone
We are lost
We can never go home

So in the end
I'll be what I will be
No loyal friend
Was ever there for me

Now we say goodbye
We say you didn't try

These tears you cry
Have come too late
Take back the lies
The hurt, the blame!

And you will weep
When you face the end alone
You are lost
You can never go home
You are lost
You can never go home



The lines that got me where I live were:
So in the end
I'll be what I will be
No loyal friend
Was ever there for me


No wonder movie-Gollum wants to supplant Sam so much! (And book-Gollum tries to murder him!)

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Date: 2004-05-21 12:58 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] lame-pegasus.livejournal.com
Of course. He must have felt a bitter and horrible hate against Sam; for Frodo had what he never got: the deep and unerring love of a friend. How much must he have longed to destroy this!

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Date: 2004-05-21 01:07 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Yes, and Frodo had the good sense not to destroy his friend the way that Gollum had. Of course, if you take the parallel farther, it's that Sam has the strength to not destroy Frodo for the Ring the way that Smeagol killed Deagol.

I love the way you can read the lyrics as if they're addressed to Frodo, or as if they're Gollum and Smeagol going back and forth. Ambiguity is so much fun!

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Date: 2004-05-21 04:35 pm (UTC)
ancalime8301: viola (Frodo lives)
From: [personal profile] ancalime8301
I love the way you can read the lyrics as if they're addressed to Frodo, or as if they're Gollum and Smeagol going back and forth. Ambiguity is so much fun!

OH, yes... that's what I absolutely love about the song -it can be taken a couple of different ways (and either way, it's heartbreaking!). :)

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Date: 2004-05-21 01:51 pm (UTC)
ext_28822: Alan Lee's Frodo sketch from ROTK (Default)
From: [identity profile] sila-lumenn.livejournal.com
Every time I hear that song, I bawl like a two year-old. It always amazes me how much I care about, and pity, Gollum.

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Date: 2004-05-21 04:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
It's amazing how much you do care about him isn't it? I mean, even when I was reading the books I felt sorry for him somehow.

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Date: 2004-05-22 02:22 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] duckie-710.livejournal.com
I read somewhere that PJ was going to include the scene that's now the beginning of RotK in TTT, right after Gollum remembers his true name. The scene was cut because of time constraints, but I guess they didn't feel like changing the song during the credits.

The song did make much more sense after I saw RotK for the first time. As soon as I saw that scene, the song started running through my head.

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Date: 2004-05-22 02:32 am (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Oh, I think you're right. But it's taken me this long to twig to it! LOL!

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