Help?

Sep. 18th, 2012 11:00 am
rabidsamfan: samwise gamgee, I must see it through (Default)
[personal profile] rabidsamfan
I've been asked to speak to a Lifelong Learning class about Sherlock Holmes and the Sherlockian/Holmesian fandom.

So, I'm at the "rummaging my brain for ideas" stage of the process.

I've got, as possible topics

Watsonian/Doylist dichotomy
The things we read when we were twelve

Watson as unreliable narrator
A timeline of the fandom/canon
Pastiches, parodies and fanfiction (including Mark Twain)
Recently published or republished pastiches
What to look for if you go on the internet hunting fanfic (I want both gen recs, if you've got them and the very best of the best for a second sheet of recs for anyone who expresses interest in the ...ahem... adult fic) Also websites!

I also have access do a DVD player and computer thingy. I can show clips or vids.

Now I just need to start finding out what I want to present, and try to think of other bits I should include.

Any suggestions?

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Date: 2012-09-18 12:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] piplover.livejournal.com
The different variations on Sherlock Holmes? From The Great Mouse Detective and Young Sherlock Holmes to Sherlock and Elementary? (I haven't touched Elementary, and have no desire to, but it is part of the modern world, I guess.)

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Date: 2012-09-18 02:05 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
A good thought. And it will have just aired, too!

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Date: 2012-09-18 08:01 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] only-po.livejournal.com
I second this idea!

(I've also got a bunch of screencaps from various cartoons shows that had "sherlocky" episodes: The Little Koala, The Real Ghostbusters, Animaniacs, Babar, Batman: The Brave and Bold -- if you want them)

Do you know what age demograph the audience will be, and what degree of fannishnss? If adults, and not already Playing The Game, a good opener might be "what we read when we were twelve" and the seguing into the different incarnations Holmes and Watson have taken on.

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Date: 2012-09-18 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
I'd love to have screencaps of that sort, even if I just show them in a quick sequence -- I'm pretty sure the audience will be mostly retirees, and mystery fans of some degree, but beyond that I have no idea. I'm actually going to be there for the first session.

If you don't mind sending them along, I've got the same username at gmail.

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Date: 2012-09-20 06:30 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] only-po.livejournal.com
Um . . . I think there might be too many to send you. I'm trying to post as many as I can at my LJ so that you can pick out which you want.

http://only-po.livejournal.com/tag/screencaps

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Date: 2012-09-18 05:36 pm (UTC)
dreamflower: gandalf at bag end (Default)
From: [personal profile] dreamflower
No advice, but oh, that sounds like a fun talk! Good luck with it--I wish I could hear it!

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Date: 2012-09-18 09:35 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
I think I have far too much material, and at the same time I don't feel like much of an expert!

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Date: 2012-09-18 07:33 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] swamp-adder.livejournal.com
Sounds like fun!

I've got a short list of gen recs (http://swamp-adder.livejournal.com/49588.html#cutid7), though I wouldn't be surprised if you're already familiar with most or all of them.

Also here is a vid I love: http://di-br.livejournal.com/124373.html

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Date: 2012-09-18 09:36 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Oooh, I love your list of recs. And I'll watch the vid as soon as I'm at a computer that won't crash.

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Date: 2012-09-18 08:10 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] only-po.livejournal.com
Sorry, another thought:

what about the many faces of WATSON? There was Nigel Bruce, of course, playing comic foil to Holmes up through the '50s. Movies from the '60s and '70s (Murder By Decree, Study in Terror, Sherlock Holmes in New York, They Might Be Giants) didn't seem to know what to do with Watson; either he was a bland background or he was an imitation of Bruce.

I think Granada single-handedly gave Watson his dignity and intelligence back. Better yet, later episodes with Edward showed that Watson knew how to keep Holmes in line. The BBC radio show continued this characterization . . . and then we had a sad lapse again for a good 10 years or so until those horrible Hallmark movies with Matt Frewer as Holmes. (I dunno; those movies did well by Watson but they didn't know how to keep Watson "real" without making Holmes a jerkwad.)

And I think a bit of that seeped into modern depictions of Holmes. Watson is the Every Man, even a BAMF some of the time. But it's like writers/producers don't know what to do with HOLMES this time around. Every modern characterization of him, without fail, from Dr. House to "Elementary" is egotistical, rude, substance-abusing, and lacking the ability to interact with society. And while that's part of Canon-Holmes, that's NOT the whole Holmes, not by a long shot.

. . . sorry. Got a little ranty there. *steps off soapbox*

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Date: 2012-09-18 09:37 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Oh, my, may I quote you? That's brilliant!

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Date: 2012-09-19 06:45 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] only-po.livejournal.com
oh, by all means! :D

trope

Date: 2012-09-18 10:20 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] volkhvoi.livejournal.com
Discuss them as tropes - their friendship as a trope or the brilliant, but socially odd, detective-with-writing sidekick trope.

TV Tropes (tvtropes.org) might be useful here.

Re: trope

Date: 2012-09-18 10:27 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
OOh, that is a thought. Although introducing poor innocents to tvtropes is probably a bit unethical. ;D

Re: trope

Date: 2012-09-18 10:29 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] volkhvoi.livejournal.com
Well, yes. I meant for you, as a reference (I was also thinking that Poirot and Nero Wolfe are both examples of the trope that Doyle started). Don't want to scare the innocents, after all.

Then again, you plan to tell them that fanfic exists, and if they look for it, they will discover Rule 34, even if you don't tell them.
Edited Date: 2012-09-19 02:33 am (UTC)

Re: trope

Date: 2012-09-18 10:56 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
I may even warn them about Rule 34...

;D

Re: trope

Date: 2012-09-18 11:02 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] volkhvoi.livejournal.com
Who do you expect to be your audience?

Re: trope

Date: 2012-09-19 12:40 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] rabidsamfan.livejournal.com
Retirees, probably. Adults anyway.

Re: trope

Date: 2012-09-19 01:14 pm (UTC)
From: [identity profile] volkhvoi.livejournal.com
Hmm,it is a Lifelong Learning Class, isn't it? It might be good for them, then. ;)
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